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June 13, 2008

non-religious but spiritual : learning to talk again

today we had a great day of conversation. i hooked up with friend jim palmer for a day of conversation 'connecting with non-religious yet spiritual people' and some 25 folks. i tried to broadcast it over ustream, which, it might have actually done. i think though our church wireless wasn't quite up to task for it though. i did record most of it on simple video, so maybe i can put some out there in future days. jim has given a little synopsis of the conversation.

i really enjoyed our time together today! let me try and summarize
some things that came up, and then ask for your feedback on a few items.

in summary....

1. all people have "spiritual" interests and desires (i.e. desire for
peace,love, freedom, and contentment). unless you live on an island,
every person has had exposure to religion. some people have spent more
time and energy seeking God and spiritual things through religion than
others but all people are influenced by the presence of religion in
society and culture.

2. "religion" is defined as a fixed or defined system of beliefs,
practices, and structures meant to aid people in knowing God.

3. a "non-religious" person is someone for whom that organized system
of beliefs, practices, and structures is not beneficial for their
"spiritual growth and desire to know God. in cases where those
religious beliefs, practices, and structures are oppressive,
legalistic, judgmental, shallow, hypocritical, and demeaning, people
are deeply wounded and damaged from their previous religious
involvements, and are therefore often resentful of those individuals
and churches involved.

4. a highly organized form of church is only one form of church. this
form of church works for some people but not all people. an increasing
number of people no longer subscribe to the idea that "church" must
involve a building, organized programs, and weekly worship services.

5. the panel today is representative of many non-religious people:

Mike - Buddhist AND Christian
Jeffrey - Don't label me anything, get to know me.
Carlene - Don't put yourself or others in a box.
Doug - Love is my religion.

6. unconditional love and acceptance, and cultivating true
relationships/friendships is what's most "relevant" to non-religious
people. these cannot be accomplished or achieved within the typical
systems, structures, and programs of organized church life. in other
words, the true essence of "church" is not even possible AT church
(services, classes, groups, meetings, programs, etc.).

7. religion often labels/stereotypes people, too quickly judges and
condemns others who are different, and insists there must be "winners"
and "losers." religious energies are often focused on converting
people to different beliefs. what gets lost in all of this is truly
understanding people as they are or where they are, and how they got
there.

8. some people seek to "reform" organized forms of church to make the
message of Christ more accessible to non-religious people. others
choose to operate outside organized forms of church.

i want to encourage you to read the books: Authentic Relationships,
and Divine Nobodies. Consider this Yahoo Group an open forum for the
following:

- continuing the conversation of "connecting with the spiritual
interests of non-religious people"
- offering your feedback and input about today's gathering
- sharing how things are evolving in your own personal life and/or in
your faith community as it relates to this topic
- sharing your input and feedback about the books
- passing along other helpful resources

another gathering is scheduled for the fall. if you are interested in
helping in any way, let me know. i am also working on a similar event
in which the panel will include clerics from Christianity, Judaism,
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and an Atheist. let me know if you have any
interest in helping with that.

you can also always email me at jim(at)divinenobodies.com

thanks! jim

May 20, 2008

tuesday randomness : link love

a run down on semi-interesting things

May 14, 2008

shane claiborne : way of life

shane claiborne on urban ministry. tip dale

May 13, 2008

tuesday randomness : link love

for your review

where do we get this time to work on the internet?

May 08, 2008

phyllis tickle : the new rose

rachel got me thinking of this video of phyllis tickle sharing insight into the new rose or the great emergence.

May 07, 2008

come converse with us : connecting with the spiritual interest of non-religious people

Connecting with the Spiritual Interest of Non-Religious People

A Conversation among Christian Leaders in Middle Tennessee

 

(Facilitated by author/speaker, Jim Palmer)

~

June 13, 9:00 am – 1:00 pm

First United Methodist Church, Hendersonville, TN 

The way many people process life and matters of ultimate reality have changed, and represent an increasing number of people in Middle Tennessee. Here's a sampling of those changes…

God Peace, Doctrine Truth, Christianity Christ, Blue Green,   Church Community,  Worship Centers Coffee Shops, Holiness Compassion, PC Mac,
Teaching
Conversation, Membership Friendship, Functionality Beauty, Books Blogs
Knowledge Freedom, Answers Questions, Religion Spirituality, Doing Being
Style Substance, Outreach Missional, Plastic Digital, Heaven Earth
Exclusive Universal, Certainty Wonder, Consumerism Activism, Polished Real
Excellence Authenticity, Programs Doing Life, Homogeny Diversity
Orthodoxy Love,  Accountability Acceptance

The working question for June 13 is: What does this change mean, and how do I and my faith community respond?

~~

Jimblog About Jim Palmer: After receiving his M.Div. from TEDS, serving on staff at Willow Creek Church, and planting/pastoring a non-denom church for six years, Jim left professional ministry and immersed himself in a world of non-religious people. As an author, he has been chronicling his journey out of organized religion: Divine Nobodies: Shedding Religion to Find God (and the unlikely people who help you) and Wide Open Spaces: Beyond Paint-by-Number Christianity. Jim's new book will be out the end of 2008. Through trial and error, Jim pioneered a form of church for non-religious people, which functions as a social network in the Nashville area.

Two groups have increasing contacted Jim through his writing: people interested in knowing God but turned off by organized religion, and people in ministry who desire to connect with them. The half-day gathering on June 13 is meant to stimulate conversation among pastors, church planters, church staff, and key volunteers around the topic of how churches can better relate to people who want to know God but currently wouldn't consider the idea of "going to church."

Jim and friends will share and guide our conversation and interaction for the gathering. Each participant will receive two free books: Divine Nobodies by Jim Palmer, and Authentic Relationships by Wayne Jacobsen. A light lunch will be offered. The cost is a $50 minimum donation. Because the gathering is designed to be interactive, participation is limited to the first 25 people. Please register by email before June 1 by contacting Jim at: jim@divinenobodies.com Each participant will be given preparatory assignments, and a dedicated Internet forum will be utilized for participants before and after the June 13 gathering. For directions to the gathering, go to www.hfumc.org (contact me for more church info)

May 06, 2008

tuesday randomness : linkage of a different kind

so some things to look at when you have free time like so many of us. i need to send out tips for some of these.. i just don't know who. so apologies for not giving appropriate props today. i still love and appreciate you for being so wonderful

April 22, 2008

road trip with the new christians

this is a really cool video of tony jones spending time with trucker frank. checking out the changing landscape from seeing town dynamics, talking community, and the message.. a lot is packed in here

April 16, 2008

they like jesus but not the church : some poison

so all this various things have been swirling around me more the last few weeks about those who are without church. or as i know church to be, that of a spiritual community. why folks walk away and never come back. plus, hanging with dan kimball last weekend didn't help either. as i pondered i realized this isn't such a new thing.. i remembered this gem from my boy brett.

April 11, 2008

shift conference twit

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this post will stick to the top of my header while i am at this shift conference. look below for some more rounded postings. also, out of ur blog will be doing some live blogging as well.
shalom, -gav

where is the twit?

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    taking on the hauerwaus mafia

    Nashcohorttony jones has put out a cut chapter from his book the new christians. he is taking on the "hauerwas mafia" which was a topic of our conversation at the cohort last time tony was in town. i like hauerwas, but we all agreed that there are some contradictions with him saying anti system yet being cradled by one.. mostly through trouble with pacifism, especially for matt who ministers to a large, very active, military community. the title of the chapter is "chaplain to the culture."

    i like tony for his very honest unabashed style. i know where he stands. i've seen him attacked and be gracious and be very annoyed, guess that depends on you. most of all, he's been very kind and gracious to me. the picture he's saying "blog this gavin" and i think he was trying to do a "pound it." he didn't do it very well.

    April 10, 2008

    scot mcknight : teaching the bible to emerging generations

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    these are my notes. a lot was said and very fast. make a comment if you have a question. maybe we can get scot to jump into the conversaion. pictures from this pilgrim experience.

    Scot McKnight
    Teaching the Emerging Generation to Read the Bible
    Shift Conference 2008

    aspects of postmodernism emerging generation reading the bible

    • science is not the only story
    • science is dethroned, subjective reality is enthroned
    • they embrace their local story
    • epistemic humility
    • acceptance of myth, as an acceptable form of telling the truth.

    this is small, but it has long term implications.

    is it okay that adam is eve is not true but tells a narrative story

    cultural products

    • come through pluralism, tv, increasing number of experiences with foreign countries
    • teaching of youth to read Jesus through the hebrew world
    • students are not bothered by a cultural expression
    • they like the ambiguity of different stories because it is part of their world

    "I don't have answers to these questions. I'm a college professor."

    the emerging generation is experiencing "ironic faith"

    the emerging story is the development of "ironic faith" .. people believe "but" .. etc. so there is a certain amount of irony in their faith that becomes intolerable therefore they leave. the emerging group has crossed a certain threshold. they will either become part of a new thing or they will not be christians at all

    first element that feeds this

    • a doctrine of scripture that they can no longer accept. in-errancy or infallibility they can't accept. it worked for modernity, but not for now. "is the bible true?" yes.. but they just wouldn't use that word
    • science. an increasing number of emerging types believes that science tells a lot of truth. they might say that evolution happen, so then how do i read the bible if this is the way that God allowed the world to be created. they don't say that they should change their view of science.
    • the doctrine of hell. we will face it in ways we have not faced it before in the next 15 - 20 years. you don't have to have the answers, but you need to let the question be asked
    • the God of the bible. people believe in a open theism. students read the bible that we encourage them too. and parts that we do not know much about.
    • homosexuality.. they know what the bible says, and it is pretty clear. but they have close friends, brothers & sisters who are gay and lesbian and they seem like good Christians. there is a realization that there are homosexual Christians and there is no place for them in the church. it is not about morality or sexuality, it is about group identity

    they are finding Jesus for the first time who grew up in a paul-ine world. they are choosing, which of these gospels am i going to follow. and they are not all the same
    recognition that all theologies are language bound

    this is scary stuff and destabilizes traditional evangelicalism. must be willing to listen to the questions.

    short cut approaches

    • some people read the bible like a Rorschach inkblot. they open up the bible and they see what they want to see. breaking of the bible into verses has helped this.
    • morsels of laws. some people look at the bible as statements of things we are supposed to do.
    • people read the bible as a hallmark calendar of blessings. "i have never seen a hallmark card filled with wrath passages." the bible is laced together with blessings and hard things. there are hard parts and need to get beyond reading the bible to just find blessings
    • puzzlers. a lot of us do this instinctively. these people almost envision the bible as verses and cut them up and scatter them all out. if you know how to piece them together then you will know what God had in mind. if you can put them together you will know how to read the bible. when we come to scripture to read we already know how to read it, because we already have our theology figured out. out systematic theology, reading the bible as a puzzle, can be a dangerous way to read the bible. God didn't give us systematic theology.. more people tend to believe the system than the story itself.
    • maestro approach. i think a lot of us read the bible through a maestro's eyes. reformers picked Paul. mainline liberals picked Jesus, as well the Anabaptists.

    "i think we should teach people to read the bible that is.. and not teach them something.."

    a model of how to read the bible

    we need to read the bible as a story. not as myth or fiction. the way God revealed the bible. every author is a wiki story of the story. if you believe scripture to be the inspired word of God you have to be willing to take in

    the creator creates Eikon's. we are made with four relations God, Self, Others, World. we cracked the Eikon's in four relations, with God, Self, Others, World. covenanted Eikon's the whole bible is about covenanted Eikon's, the covenanted people are the very foundation of the story. reformers grown in a Pauline context want to go from Genesis 12 to Romans 3. new covenant with Christ is the climactic dimension. the consummation.

    we should read book by book or author by author. look for these five themes. map how these five themes come up in the wiki stories. we have to let the wiki stories do the work for us.

    April 09, 2008

    shift conference : mark yaconelli

    they just posted a highlight video of mark yaconelli talk from earlier this afternoon.

    shift conference : day one

    Shiftconference

    the experience up to this point.. wonderful, challenging.. and i am an a-hole. (more on the a-hole later)

    jason and i got to willow got checked in and had no idea what to do with ourselves, so we stood by the doors to get in as early as possible and check into some front row type seats. not bad there. jason spotted mark yaconelli for me, so i chased him down. said our hellos exchanged some conversation where i told him, "i suck." which i've been saying for awhile now. no surprise to me. we tried to find brian mclaren, then charlie hall kicked in. said our byes.

    i love charlie hall's music, though i've never seen him live before. my favorite song i don't expect to hear played. it's rather slow moving and has a violin accompaniment. possibly next time. haha!

    brian kicked into high gear early, so i bet many people were left in the dust. the whole idea of empire and that we are the current empire that Christ spoke against or had an active resistance against is a tough pill to take. check out my parallel. so if people were not able to gather that quickly then they might have had troubles. a lot of the message is what is highlighted in "everything must change." tim, took some good notes. me, i txt'ed my twitter with notes. so check that out. there is some banter over at the out of ur blog on this sharing. they have posted this highlight of brian's talk as well.

    mark yaconelli was up next. mark was wonderful. many of the words i needed to hear. i made sure to thank him afterwards. he told me that at least he knew he was talking one person. i believe he connected with just about everyone. tim, again, has really great notes.

    i took some prayer time after the session. i let morning prayer slide, as i so often do. so taking some moments while everyone was standing in lunch lines. not a bad decision. prayer time was really good for me, though, as with many times it is a struggle to rest. it takes about 4 or 5 days to get to that rest spot for me. however, it was nice to be. i didn't want to leave so i read this letter that was written to me two weeks ago. i have been carrying it since i received it. it is from an older gentleman in our congregation. in it he shared his snapshots into his story; foster care, childhood, the army, a suicide attempt, redemption & a commitment to sharing his gift for drawing and art with others. this is when i felt like an a-hole. i've been holding this for days now and wouldn't give myself the time to be inspired and connected. i highlighted this from a newspaper article about his work drawing pictures for newborns in the hospitals.

    "The simplicity of strokes, that's the secret to make something look real with the least amount of work. That's the secret to creativity."

    i like that.

    after that lunch break. willow has a large cafeteria typed area. i had a very 'hit the spot' braut.

    back into session with shane claiborne who shared many stories of loving thy neighbor. lifting up & caring for those in need. i think he wrote this before, but i heard it again and it struck me.

    Jesus did not talk to a prostitute. because, Jesus did not see a prostitute. only a child.

    that i liked as well.

    ps: i've got some killer pictures to share. but this hotel wi-fi won't let me upload to flickr. so look for those at some point.

    April 08, 2008

    tuesday randomness : linkage

    just my normal list of links.. but i actually got them back on tuesday

    hotel internet is less that satisfying tonight. google reader stalls out so more linkage later.

    Jesus & empire : homey don't play that

    note: sarcasm laden i am about to head out to a conference where i will see and hear from brian mclaren and others. i know, appreciate, and have learned a great deal from their messages as ministers. but, every now and then i like to have my fun at their expense. this is one of those times.

    for some reason i am finding a lot of parallels with this and brian mclaren's "everything must change" message about Jesus and active resistance to empire. not to mention, it made me laugh.

    April 04, 2008

    in case you missed them : weekend linkage

    unless the rain continues this may be the last blog post for the weekend. these are some links of interest that you might have missed, i hope not too.

    before the big list. two things

    1. the wifey has started blogging as a hybrid of business and her own commentary. go say hi to my fabulous half the "bug babe." my music city blogger friends should take notice. she will have some great stuff once she gets going.
    2. if you have been following our conference whoa's of late with a restructuring and 'new vision' for children and youth ministry. check out jay's recent posting on what he sees that it will take for reconciliation between youth, children, camping, young adult, older adult ministries practitioners and our conference leadership.

    now on with the links

    March 31, 2008

    a virtual church : an old method : same results

    Virtualchurch

      my district superintendent whom i respect a lot has mentioned on more than one occasion that he wanted me to input on this 'virtual church' project. i didn't know much about it till yesterday. hap, a pastor whom i also respect greatly in our conference sent out this proposal VirtualChurchfinally. i hate to critique or question in a final draft (note, the format of the final draft is due to me importing to google docs and not tweaking when converting to pdf, my fault, i'm lazy) but if you want me in on the project and ask for my input or energy to help get going.. i am going to be honest. so i went into writing this epic response. with all the other happenings, i am betting my bishop & ds are rolling their eyes as they read another email from me.

    hi all,

    thanks for including me in the special project. hap, thanks for all the work that you have done. i have a couple of questions and suggestions so if you don't mind entertaining me. apologies if this changes it from a final proposal.

    i saw that we are anticipating a filming of bishop wills small group facilitator presentation this coming weekend. does this mean we are having any meetings before or after to discuss success, next steps, etc.? i ask this, as i am somewhat confused with where we exactly are in this process. i know i've been around this conversation, ie. i've heard the exploration of "virtual church," but until hap's proposal document yesterday, i had little clue as to what it was all about. so i'd be interested to know when a next collaboration event is.

    some thoughts, take them for what you find.

    when i first heard of the "virtual church" i was expecting something like the church of fools experiment by the british methodist church some four years ago. i know there was some discussion of bringing that back with more current technology, saint pixels was the name i heard of. jay voorhees would know more about that and i believe a lay member of blakemore umc (name escapes me) as they were both part of the church of fools project. the site is still active, i happen to visit it two or three times a year just to kick around in it.

    i was encouraged to know this wasn't our route. though i don't think this is a bad idea, i do not think it isn't our endeavor. i like the idea of creating resources to help plug people in and direct them into the local church, but my quick question to that is.. isn't that what umcom or the united methodist publishing house is for?

    a response i might hear from that is, 'well they don't do things specific for our particular context' which i'd say is fair. however, they do have resources that we probably should have some access to without spending around the 11-17-20,000 dollars that is budgeted out knowing the actual cost when things break or are needing an extra piece of equipment. a response i might hear from that is, 'well they don't loan out items or will not allow to travel' which is fair. but when the scope of this operation (as i am seeing it take) with work hours and the need to spread it out due to the fact we do not have a paid staff (only bill) to make this all happen, the need to loan out and then control equipment will be so great, a natural reaction would be to buckle down on controls and then it becomes more hassle then benefit. this might not be the case, but in processing it, is my natural state to troubleshoot.

    i have an ultimate question of... have we asked churches what they need in these realms of technology? when i have taught tech workshops or talked with young people. the general rule is it isn't because of anything technological savy that has gotten them back to church. it is that old school personal invitation and long term relationship. it might happen over the net, but it is within social networking.

    now, resourcing the church leader and/or reaching young adults in a community is different & i have some more expanding thoughts.

    in the case of phase 2. there are many programs out there that will allow people to conference live and with images & video feeds already. a few weeks ago i had a 6 person conference conversation with social media expert joseph jaffee from south africa online, with camera feeds so we could all interact and see each other and converse in real time. only trick was some folks has to put on headsets to avoid microphone feedback. that software is called oovoo and is free (though that particular one is still in beta version). skype has been used for years. i use it with my family and can connect via computer webcams with great quality and no expense, well, a 70 dollar christmas gift for my mom.. i plan on using one of these softwares to do summer intern interviews from candidates across from knoxville to arizona. &:~D

    those are just two options i use that are free. no cost and highly functioning.

    i'd be interested to see how the wiki will be used. i am well aware of the function and benefits of a wiki, but i've never felt it was something a church should engage in. there is just too much control need to maintain an image of the church. but that might be handled a few clicks of the administrator, but then, it ceases to be a true wiki. you can say this is just for the team, but then all ideas then only come out through the team thus limiting the depth of idea, support, and need within a parish or the conference.

    phase 3. i have thought we should be doing more web-empowered church propping for quite a few years now. i think the whole tennessee conference website should shift that way and a consolidation of the conference blogs would be easier to navigate. not to mention cleaning up that busyness that the site contains. a resource site doesn't need to be super fancy only accessible. clear pages, many & clear links, a fabulous search engine for the resources. probably need to have rss feeds ability which, last time i talked to mark (he's a buddy of mine) the wec software blog component didn't function better with readers (your young adult tech person who knows this is a resource they want to plug in will have this feed in their reader) as a wordpress software. this is remedied and might already be done, i can check with mark tomorrow. i know that i have done a podcast for youthworkermovement and the folks at lake junaluska that tech support the site were able to set up the podcast with a feed that gets to itunes.

    i would also suggest that you "go where the people are".. blip.tv is nice the channel idea is cool, but youtube, myspace video, facebook video, google video, even godtube, all those are where people are hanging out (google video only because of the ease of the search engine). the best part about these things.. they are free & this message gets out to more people. a few weeks back to show our staff, i set up channels for our church http://www.godtube.com/hfumc & http://www.youtube.com/hfumc . nothing major, just got a dvd of two services, ripped 'em trimmed them, converted to downsize file size and uploaded them. i also uploaded a whole service onto google video (a 1 gig file).

    this takes your content and spreads it, but in doing so you/we no longer are able to be gatekeepers to know who is using or not. which is a control issue. but in the scheme of thing, i never heard Christ say, 'take control of my church so that folks get the message right.'

    to embrace spreading all that stuff out there is counter to a traditional method of communicating. case in point, there was some great sat night live archive clips a few years ago on youtube that the nbc lawyers were fighting to get offline, they never knew that it was their own marketers that were uploading everything. the marketers knew the audience and how to get more brand loyalty & build back that audience. i don't like marketing talk, but to discount the communication contained in branding is silly. and it is silly to not embrace the temple where the masses gather.

    this is also to say, does anyone know the time it takes to do video? putting those videos onto youtube & godtube took probably two days.. the steps were simple, but rendering takes forever. not to mention the time invested in filming & editing that was done prior to our distributed dvd. larry nelson, of umcom, heads up our film team which takes three guys, two minimum (that is larry walking from one camera to another making stops at the feed console) to do sound and operate cameras. the man hours alone will take wear.

    in the proposal piece, we have an article by marty cauley and there are some things i want to highlight for pondering as i close this darn thing called letter.

    "Since their birth, this generation has been told they can change the world, and they intend to do it. But many are disgusted by what they see as the incongruity of spoken values and lived values in the church and the culture." if we don't want to give up control and spread this out then we really just holding onto a traditional framework of educating and resourcing that can (and prob should) be done by umcom & umph. it would be seen skeptical by the young people it is trying to reach.

    "...the church’s token attempts to reach young adults are actually alienating rather than attracting them. They see it as hypocritical when the church states how important their presence is but develops program for them but not with them such as “90’s style” praise services. This is a generation of “doers” and not “watchers.” " i don't know how many of this advisory group are actually young adult age. i know i am not. i am the same age as some folks on this list i know, 33, and younger than most i know. if you want the young adults, and the ones that actually are on the net (consider me an exception cause i am a geek).. the 28-35 younger adult doesn't want to get on the net at home unless it is for work. they have been on all day already. you are looking for the 18-25 year old. to capture this networks like fox has embrace this "doer" that marty highlights by signing many of these young people making videos for their own networks and putting them to work. these teams should be made up of the people you want to attract and commission them with producing the content to meet the audience they know. to give "oversight" with an advisory board is just giving a message of who is actually in charge. you can find some people who work well as a mentoring editor/producer role, but to have a large team of folks, that wouldn't fly. mtsu has a nationally known communications program. i am sure there is a methodist or two in there who would love to be a part of something that has such promise, but we have to be willing to give it away.

    the problem then is.. when the young people move into the church, how are they treated and what structures are there for them to plug into? this is a greater issue than just an electronic media.

    if any of you have read "the hidden power of electronic media" by shane hipps (which is mentioned in the proposal, if you haven't it is my suggested reading) he would warn against doing tech stuff for the sake of tech stuff because we have tech stuff. leo laporte (techtv & this week in tech podcast fame) warned of that when jay voorhees interviewed him on "the methocast" a methodist related podcast.

    what are the benefits but more importantly why? i think this idea needs more flushing to meet that why. so i look forward to some sort of meet up in the coming weeks to talk all this face to face.

    shalom
    -gavin

    now, maybe some of these things were talked about. i just wasn't in on the action. so i'm throwing in my thoughts at the first opportunity

    March 28, 2008

    on being "methomergent"

    jay has a good reflection on what it means to be methodist & emergent. we jokingly brought out the methomergent name a few years ago, but since others have come out with presbymergent and anglimergent, i really hope that methomergent doesn't stick.

    Being methomergent in a traditional setting often means deep longings, cries and groans of wanting to be something different while also recognizing that folks invested in the traditional structures need the grace of God as well. For some, it means being “in-between,” neither fully traditional or fully emergent, and that in-betweenness drives them crazy. For others of us (and I consider myself in this camp) it is about a self understanding of the minister/pastor as interpreter.

    March 27, 2008

    the "manly" influence of boys : a different way

    i have been wanting to post on this topic for awhile. i just never had enough to say. so i wanted to find and show this video. well, it wasn't on the internet, so i had to find my copy of the video and get it uploaded. this is joe ehrmann, a former nfl player and now coach. he has a unique way and perspective on how we poorly build boys into men. this is well worth your time to catch a glimpse of a different way of raising men.

    it reminds me that rethinking youth ministry highlighted this "hard as nails" ministry. in watching that i was taken back to some further thoughts. the idea being, what kind of men are we making for the kingdom.

    months back i was intrigued in hearing about coach rush propst, the former head football coach from hoover high school (star of mtv's two a days), resigning (read between the lines, fired) from his position mid-season.

    i had an interest in the show partly because hoover high school, wasn't created at the time, but would be my high school alma mater if our family stayed in birmingham. i would have actually graduated from berry high school, which is now one of the hoover middle schools. i would have been part of one of the final graduating classes from berry, before people moved into hoover.

    watching two-a-days, i didn't like coach propst, i thought the methods of getting a winning team and the way he treated parents and kids was just awful. so i wasn't upset to see him go, but i wondered, why do we have so many "men" who are allowed to treat boys in such ways under the guise of "making them men?".. this cannot be good for the kingdom. being a man is not about being macho, unlike what mark driscoll dressed in his metro-sexual stylings would like you to know. being a man is not about being tough stuff.

    Christ never put down, beat up, demeaned, yelled at, forced participation, or threatened in order to share the vision of the kingdom. why do we put up with people who go against those practices so actively? is it because we spend money on travel teams or our youth's sports? we hope our child to grow up and be successful professional athlete? we live out our real dreams through our children and this person is considered a 'gatekeeper'... i just don't know..

    note: this is a trimmed version. a full version with bryant gumbel's reactions, which are good, can be found here.

    March 17, 2008

    what you focus on dictates what you miss : revisit festival of homiletics

    last spring a group of us local misfits pulled together to help lead worship at the festival of homiletics that brian mcalren was leading. during the worship or his speaking session he showed a video and it was one of those moments when everyone was baffled. i was packing up brian's equipment after the session was over while he was receiving people with their questions and thanks. many of the questions were "where can i find that video" which he apparently had some kids do. thanks to jonny, here is a similar video.

    the simple statement from brian was, whatever you focus on dictates what you miss (paraphrase). if you are going to focus on this person or that person then you will miss the third person. if you are going to be focused on defending the bible then you might forget the people who need a lunch.. etc.. i loved it

    March 06, 2008

    worship feast prayer stations : do you have a copy

    are you one of the millions, thousands, maybe hundred or so that have a copy of my "worship feast prayer stations" cdrom? if so could you email me and tell me what prayer stations are highlighted in the cdrom? i was wanting to post some of the videos & pdf's that didn't make the resource but i have given away all the copies i had of it so i don't know anymore what was on there. thanks in advance

    in case: if you didn't know, i have this cdrom out there on prayer stations. Worship Feast Prayer Stations, put out by abingdon press. it was set up to be a primer to get people started on doing their own, but have no idea about them or where to start. it has some meditative background images, original music, and video and pdfs on how to do some specific prayer stations plus alternatives which make up a total of around 20 prayer stations. not bad for a $20 price.

    February 07, 2008

    the declaration of independence reframed

    i can't help but share this. it hit me like a ton of bricks. the follow is an encounter brian mclaren had at davos a few weeks ago.

    Another moment – when a Muslim conversation partner introduced me to a group of Muslims I hadn't met: "This is my friend, Brian." When people stop being "that Jew" or "that Christian" or "that Muslim," and instead become "my friend," followed by a real name … the state of the world improves a little bit.

    And another – sitting with a Muslim scholar who explained to me, "If you want to understand our struggle, think of your own Declaration of Independence." She rehearsed the lines, known by heart: "… we hold these truths to be self-evident … created equal … endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights." She asked me what these lines were intended to do, to accomplish. I replied, "To counter the pre-modern notion of the divine right of kings with a new notion – of the God-given rights of individuals." Why, she asked, was it important to bring God in? "Because God represents an authority higher than a king's authority. If God gives individuals rights, a king loses his right to abrogate them."

    Then she said, "This is a primary reason why there is such a religious revival in Islam. Millions of Muslims live under dictatorships. They need to have their human rights validated theologically so they can gain freedom from dictators, just as American colonists wanted to gain freedom from the king in 1776." Sadly, she added, many of these dictators have remained in power with U.S. support, which helps explain much of the antipathy toward U.S. foreign policy. A simple thought, perhaps obvious to many, but it clicked for me as never before.

    1. i like how brian explains the declaration of independence, that God is above kings. so it is no surprise that in that it hit like a ton of bricks... why do we enable other countries to live in a framework that we would not allow ourselves to be in. i am not advocating nation building, like we are experiencing in Afghanistan or Iraq, certainly we did much to help them to where they were. but what if there were other creative means to enable all people to live where God is ultimate authority? even over that of a king or president? hmm..

     

    February 06, 2008

    fading emergent church

    interesting post on observations that the emerging church is starting to fade away. although i won't pick apart the case made, i will say, it isn't so much fading away but morphing and being brought into the main life of the church. our cohort has only grown in interest and attendance. publishing deals are being struck, with books being written that might not be by the main guys, but influenced by the conversation. mainline/emergent conferences are popping up everywhere & all year long because people want to share & hear what emerging is all about. it might not be a fancy buzz at the moment, but i don't see it waining at any point soon.

    thoughts?